http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/growing-ties-between-turkey-china-iran-worry-israel-and-u-s-1.317583

这是一个以色列新闻网站的英文版。这篇稿子发表于10年10月7日，开头一段就是

The United States and Israel are watching with concern the growing military cooperation among Turkey, China and Iran, especially following a joint Turkish-Chinese air-force exercise last week.


翻译：美国和以色列正在密切关注土耳其，中国和伊朗之间的日益增长的军事合作，尤其是在上周举行的一场 土耳其- 中国空军联合演习之后。

接下来还有一段


In the past these exercises were held in relatively openness, but last week they were held covertly, with only a brief report appearing in the Turkish media after the exercise.


翻译： 过去这种演习都是相对公开的，可是上周举行的演习却是保密的，只在演习之后在土耳其媒体上发表了一个简单报道。


这里还有一个更早也更详细的

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/defense/index.jsp?plckController=Blog&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&newspaperUserId=27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7&plckPostId=Blog%3a27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7Post%3a0e6adb06-e48a-408b-bc4e-1262eeee7fdc&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest


担心看不见，我把全文贴上

Chinese Su-27s Fly Mock Combat in Turkey

Posted by David A. Fulghum at 9/30/2010 10:29 AM CDT  

An unexpected military cooperative exercise between China and Turkey has caught the eye of Washington-based analysts.

The two air forces were involved in a joint air exercise in the central Anatolian province of Konya, the first such exercise involving the air forces of China (People’s Liberation Army Air Force – PLAAF) and NATO member Turkey.

Part of the significance is that the PLAAF recently demonstrated major advances in long-range strike during their own “Peace Mission 2010.”

The latest joint exercise, “Anatolian Eagle,” in the past has been conducted jointly with the U.S. Air Force, other NATO air forces and the Israeli Air Force.

Ankara’s Zama newspaper reported that Turkish F-16s and Chinese Su-27s staged a mock dogfight. Chinese Prime Minister Wen Jiabao plans a visit to Turkey next month where several agreements on economic and cultural cooperation are expected to be signed. Chinese aircraft, including the JF-17 export fighter, stopped in Turkey to refuel on the way to last summer’s Farnborough air show.

Turkey flies 200 F-16s, 150 RF/F-4s and 75 F-5s.     

Another sign that Turkey is changing its international stance is modification of its security policy to remove some of its neighboring countries from a list of those considered as national security threats and the exclusion of the IAF from its exercises.



只翻译标红部分： 安卡拉的Zama新闻 报道说 土耳其的F-16和中国的Su-27进行了一场模拟近距缠斗。

谁能搞一份这个安卡拉的Zama 报纸？有没有在土耳其的筒子？


这是上文作者在下面发表的一段评论


I'm still trying to figure out what actually happened. Accounts from the event are extremely erratic and have MiG-29s involved (which is believed to be in error). They also have F-16s mixing it up with Su-27 which would be a good way to loose data to electronic surveillance. Analsts contend that that it was more likely the F-4 fleet that was involved in the mock combat. It appears to have been an exercise that might result in China being in an Anatolian Eagle event, but not the event itself. "Regardless, it is impressive for the PLAAF logistically to pull off only their 2nd fighter deployment outside of China (the first being the FB-7 they sent just over the PRC/Russia border during a previous PEACE MISSION exercise)," says a U.S. analayst. "The Turkey event is a whole new ball game. Are we seeing a doctrinal shift in line with the increased transparency noted by the PRC Generals during PEACE MISSION? This would be ground breaking."


10/1/2010 9:23 AM CDT


红线部分：分析家认为实际上参加了模拟对抗的更可能是F-4 机队。

其他懒得翻译了，但足以证明这个消息在外国媒体上是在10月1日以前透露出来的，不是一周以后。

从时间上看，这两个消息都确定了这次对抗至少发生在10月8日以前（开玩笑，基本可以肯定是在9月29日或30日以前），而且与欧盟演习无关。

嘿嘿，我看楼主要悲痛了。JX老兄，如果再到别的地方反驳这类言论的，我的证据尽管用！


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原帖由 mervyn68 于 2010-10-13 12:26 发表
还是相信runot2far老兄，证据齐全。这次中国军方输的够惨，真够丢人的！某些所谓爱国愤青不愿相信事实，就开始污蔑是谣言了！

不过，没有结果，只有时间，地点和人物，哈哈。只能证明有这么件事，还是可以咬着牙说不一定就是输了。

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原帖由 mervyn68 于 2010-10-13 12:57 发表



谢谢解惑，不过我想即使不是0:8,1:8,比赛结果肯定不乐观，要不然为啥国内媒体不敢报道了，土耳其估计也给中国面子不予报道，但是比赛结果私下已经传出去了。现在网络时代，马上就传播全球了。

对了，从这个时间上看，瞎猜一下，是不是中国空军本来还想搞一个什么向国庆献礼项目，觉得Su-27肯定能痛扁人家F-4？哈哈，应该不会这么儿戏吧？

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原帖由 jx4177 于 2010-10-13 13:12 发表
发表于 2010-10-11 23:32

　　队伍人员：K2S，K7S，K19S，HH9S。。
　　yankee 23:11:31
　　五架歼11
　　yankee 23:12:13
　　BVR被完虐
　　yankee 23:12:29
　　WVR演习裁判组判定我们获胜
　 ...

要这样的话，土耳其空军也太过分了，用E737啊，这边又不是Su-30，那还不是一边倒？

最后那个说F-4不能打AIM120的，你跟他说，土耳其的F-4可能是以色列改造的F4E 2020，有可能可以使用AIM120。


去CD看了半天，我找的这个9月30日的帖子算得上最早的了吧？再想要早的，恐怕真的得去搞那个什么安卡拉的Zama新闻了。

至于结果嘛，那就纯属瞎猜了。但是从国外报道在先，国内落后几乎一周来看，应该不是什么可喜结果。

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